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the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
Wow!!
thats awesome..
where can you get these cords??
how would you rate the tension on the neck/bridge/box etc?
i assume they're still holding up ok??
and the tone / volume they produce??
sorry to grill u so, but this is pretty exciting..
Wichita Sam said:
the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
Cool bases WichitaSam. I am setting up a 25.5" scale bass using polyurathane strings. I got the strings from the inventor of the U-bass. I thought I was the first using the polyurathane...Oh well...nothing new under the sun.
Dave
Wichita Sam said:
the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
Dave,
Yep, nuthin' new under the sun, but.... it is still a niche that someone could fill. If you think that people give you strange looks when you show them a CBG, that's nothing compared to when you pull out a PU CBBass. Strung with fat black strings on an ultra short scale. Then when you play rich low "true Low E" bass tones, the confounded look just overwhelms them....
They are fun and easy to play. As far as I know, the guy at RoadToad music and I were developing the use of PU cord at about the same time.... (he probably first, but I only found him after I had build my first)... There is a lot of techy stuff to work on still. The longer scale lengths are OK, but strings are really sensitive to over tensioning. Go past a certain point and they relax and won't hold tone...
If you want to know long term on long scale, get ahold of Ted Crocker. He had the only long scale that was ever built. It was a birthday gift, if I remember right..... For long scale, alternative string material, WW bass is a better choice... I still have some heavy gauge stuff and have made low E WWCBBasses...
Anyway, if you get hung up on something, give me a shout....
the best,
Wichita Sam
David West said:
Cool bases WichitaSam. I am setting up a 25.5" scale bass using polyurathane strings. I got the strings from the inventor of the U-bass. I thought I was the first using the polyurathane...Oh well...nothing new under the sun.
Dave
Wichita Sam said:
the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
My strings came from RoadToad. I emailed the owner/inventor. He set me up with custom guages and lengths to work with the 25" length. He also recommended using the tuners from the Ashbory bass. They were $20 for the set of 4. The ones from RoadToad look a little nicer, but were $80 for a set. The custom length set of strings seemed reasonable at $33. This was the setup that Owen recommended. "Assuming that you’re trying for EADG bass tuning, My best guess would be:
.187” medium - E
.156” medium - A
.125” hard - D
.095” hard - G
"
I am still waiting for a bridge and pickup to arrive that I ordered for the project.
Thanks for the reply.
Dave
Wichita Sam said:
Dave,
Yep, nuthin' new under the sun, but.... it is still a niche that someone could fill. If you think that people give you strange looks when you show them a CBG, that's nothing compared to when you pull out a PU CBBass. Strung with fat black strings on an ultra short scale. Then when you play rich low "true Low E" bass tones, the confounded look just overwhelms them....
They are fun and easy to play. As far as I know, the guy at RoadToad music and I were developing the use of PU cord at about the same time.... (he probably first, but I only found him after I had build my first)... There is a lot of techy stuff to work on still. The longer scale lengths are OK, but strings are really sensitive to over tensioning. Go past a certain point and they relax and won't hold tone...
If you want to know long term on long scale, get ahold of Ted Crocker. He had the only long scale that was ever built. It was a birthday gift, if I remember right..... For long scale, alternative string material, WW bass is a better choice... I still have some heavy gauge stuff and have made low E WWCBBasses...
Anyway, if you get hung up on something, give me a shout....
the best,
Wichita Sam
David West said:
Cool bases WichitaSam. I am setting up a 25.5" scale bass using polyurathane strings. I got the strings from the inventor of the U-bass. I thought I was the first using the polyurathane...Oh well...nothing new under the sun.
Dave
Wichita Sam said:
the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
David,
Looks about right.... where are you getting your tuners? There was a guy selling Ashbory parts about a year ago, but he disappeared. That was the main reason I cooled on building these. Ashbory tuners (see in my pic, the long scale bass) work great, much better than anything else I tried....
If you can let me know where you're getting your tuners, I'd appreciate it.
the best,
Wichita Sam
David West said:
My strings came from RoadToad. I emailed the owner/inventor. He set me up with custom guages and lengths to work with the 25" length. He also recommended using the tuners from the Ashbory bass. They were $20 for the set of 4. The ones from RoadToad look a little nicer, but were $80 for a set. The custom length set of strings seemed reasonable at $33. This was the setup that Owen recommended. "Assuming that you’re trying for EADG bass tuning, My best guess would be:
.187” medium - E
.156” medium - A
.125” hard - D
.095” hard - G
"
I am still waiting for a bridge and pickup to arrive that I ordered for the project.
Thanks for the reply.
Dave
Wichita Sam said:
Dave,
Yep, nuthin' new under the sun, but.... it is still a niche that someone could fill. If you think that people give you strange looks when you show them a CBG, that's nothing compared to when you pull out a PU CBBass. Strung with fat black strings on an ultra short scale. Then when you play rich low "true Low E" bass tones, the confounded look just overwhelms them....
They are fun and easy to play. As far as I know, the guy at RoadToad music and I were developing the use of PU cord at about the same time.... (he probably first, but I only found him after I had build my first)... There is a lot of techy stuff to work on still. The longer scale lengths are OK, but strings are really sensitive to over tensioning. Go past a certain point and they relax and won't hold tone...
If you want to know long term on long scale, get ahold of Ted Crocker. He had the only long scale that was ever built. It was a birthday gift, if I remember right..... For long scale, alternative string material, WW bass is a better choice... I still have some heavy gauge stuff and have made low E WWCBBasses...
Anyway, if you get hung up on something, give me a shout....
the best,
Wichita Sam
David West said:
Cool bases WichitaSam. I am setting up a 25.5" scale bass using polyurathane strings. I got the strings from the inventor of the U-bass. I thought I was the first using the polyurathane...Oh well...nothing new under the sun.
Dave
Wichita Sam said:
the only difference (typically) is length... the rules governing spaciing is the same. the stewMac fret calculator...
http://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator will produce the same fretpattern whether you calculate for an electric guitar or a bass.
Bass guitar scale lengths can be influenced by using alternative string material. a year ago I produced several ultra short scale basses (as short as 17') that were low "E" capable using polyurethane cord.
just make your cuts as perpemdicular to the fretboard as you can and everything will be OK
Eli Spiegelman said:Stewmac is good! So is your point about the yardsticks.
On fret wire: Is it true that the high point of the fret -- where the string will start to vibrate -- is just above the saw-line, or do you have to compensate for anything when cutting the slots? (Does that make sense?)
Eli
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