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Permalink Reply by Alan Roberts on March 31, 2010 at 5:23pm

Perfesser Blue said:

Real tools are not needed for a cbg.
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"Amen" to that. Perfesser. I get a tad annoyed with the "I can't do that, I ain't got the proper tools" crowd. There's nothing I can do with a table router that you can't do with a chisel. I can do it faster, that's all. And I can take a fine piece of wood and turn most of it into splinters in the blink of an eye (the rest went through the shop window).

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

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Permalink Reply by KaptnKen on April 1, 2010 at 1:16am

Alan Roberts said:

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

Wow...I haven't heard anyone use the word "grok"...and properly...in a long time! I think it's best that people work at that level, especially in the beginning, so they can achieve a basic understanding of how things work. I build rustic furniture and the only power tool I use is a drill...rest of it is knife, drawknife, hand saw, rasp and sandpaper. And I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. And it drives me crazy when I run across web designers that use WYSIWYG editors that don't know how to make changes by hand using the most basic HTML tags.

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Permalink Reply by Rex on April 1, 2010 at 2:05am

I will admit that when I got started on this project, it wasn't long till I was considering the merits of owning a band saw, a table saw, and a table router.
I chiseled and honed the neck down with a rasp and lots of sanding. I am not happy at all with what I wound up with for the head stock. I smoothed out most of the problems with the GG. I am going to try and connect the neck to the box today. I need to dress out the shoddy job I did cutting the hole for the neck. Somehow I made the hole too big for the neck and the fit is too loose. Which I figure will bite me in the butt later when I find out the neck will not sit true and straight. Hope that is not too big of an issue. Bright side of the mess up, I got a chance to show my kids how knowing your fractions and being able to multiply and divide (same thing really) can be crucial to even something as simple as a hobby.

The big lesson I say I have learned so far in my first attempt, is not to be too overly concerned with building an exotic CBG but rather get the basics down PAT first.

I have serious doubts that I will have anything that sounds even half as decent as some of the builds I have heard on here. Either way, I am having fun, learning a lot, and looking forward to getting this thing put together, for that final moment. I really do hope I have something at least somewhat playable, I have every intention of using it for my gig on May 1st.... Either way, I am claiming it right? LOL

Thanks to everyone for your help and advise. You have no idea how much you all have helped me along.

KaptnKen said:

Alan Roberts said:

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

Wow...I haven't heard anyone use the word "grok"...and properly...in a long time! I think it's best that people work at that level, especially in the beginning, so they can achieve a basic understanding of how things work. I build rustic furniture and the only power tool I use is a drill...rest of it is knife, drawknife, hand saw, rasp and sandpaper. And I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. And it drives me crazy when I run across web designers that use WYSIWYG editors that don't know how to make changes by hand using the most basic HTML tags.

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Permalink Reply by Rex on April 1, 2010 at 2:10am

An old friend of mine here in Missouri David Wolfs Robe, aka the Flute Man. David is an awesome musician, and as well a master flute maker. He and I talked about doing a project together at one time, but things just never panned out. Here is his website, hope this is not breaking any rules. No intentions of spamming just thought I'd share ti with you.
http://www.akaflutemanent.com/

KaptnKen said:

Alan Roberts said:

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

Wow...I haven't heard anyone use the word "grok"...and properly...in a long time! I think it's best that people work at that level, especially in the beginning, so they can achieve a basic understanding of how things work. I build rustic furniture and the only power tool I use is a drill...rest of it is knife, drawknife, hand saw, rasp and sandpaper. And I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. And it drives me crazy when I run across web designers that use WYSIWYG editors that don't know how to make changes by hand using the most basic HTML tags.

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Permalink Reply by Wade on April 1, 2010 at 3:46am

Elmers used to make a hot glue gun with glue sticks designed for wood- IF you like the regular hot glue gun - you would get hooked on one of those!

Wade

Jerryrig240 said:

Check out some of my vids here on the nation, I hope they will help you along with other builders out there that are having a hard time with their first build.. A good mind set of a first build for me anyway is to keep it simple. Nothing too fancy. And you don't have to have fancy tools to do a lot of this stuff. In fact, a drill, some screws, a good, and I mean, good hand saw that has small teeth on it, and some sand paper is all you really need to make a nice, good sounding, sturdy cbg. Sure, a electiric hand sander, and a dremel are nice to have...but if you don't have that stuff, it's not a problem. I bought a really nice hot glue gun a few weeks back and I am hooked. The glue that I liked was kinda pricy and it did not come in a very big tube, and I have heard that hot glue was good to use on peizo's...so now, I use got glue for almost everythig, except for my neck fret board, the last neck I made I used just plain wood glue. I have not had amny experience on making bone parts for my cbg's, but I have called my local butcher and he said he would hook me up with a couple of boes for free. I just need to go and pick them up.....I normally use bolts for nuts and bridges, but I am runing short on good bolts to use, so I figured I would try my hand and bone. It's free, so why not. I also have thought of just using simple dowls for nuts, I think you can get them a big bag for decent, and with a dab of hot glue, they would work realy well.

As far as the gorllia glue, I went down the same road, I used it and it foamed up some feirce....A good rond of elbow greese and some sanding and it took care of it....I also used my pocket knife to remove the bigest part of it. Needles to sa, I don't use it anymore.

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Permalink Reply by Wichita Sam on April 1, 2010 at 11:35am

Rex, where in Missouri? Are you up for the hoped for Festival in KC?... how about a picnic on Doughboy's farm on the Gasgonade? I'm a MO transplant by way of Puerto Rico...

the best,

Sam

Rex said:

An old friend of mine here in Missouri David Wolfs Robe, aka the Flute Man. David is an awesome musician, and as well a master flute maker. He and I talked about doing a project together at one time, but things just never panned out. Here is his website, hope this is not breaking any rules. No intentions of spamming just thought I'd share ti with you.
http://www.akaflutemanent.com/

KaptnKen said:

Alan Roberts said:

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

Wow...I haven't heard anyone use the word "grok"...and properly...in a long time! I think it's best that people work at that level, especially in the beginning, so they can achieve a basic understanding of how things work. I build rustic furniture and the only power tool I use is a drill...rest of it is knife, drawknife, hand saw, rasp and sandpaper. And I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. And it drives me crazy when I run across web designers that use WYSIWYG editors that don't know how to make changes by hand using the most basic HTML tags.

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Permalink Reply by Wichita Sam on April 1, 2010 at 11:39am

"Grok".... if MVSmith were here today, I think he would enjoy CBG building and playing.... SIASL is the all time best SF novel (IMHO) and pushes the top 10 of all 20th century American lit (again IMHO... oh heck, no so humble really)....

the best,

Sam

KaptnKen said:

Alan Roberts said:

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

Wow...I haven't heard anyone use the word "grok"...and properly...in a long time! I think it's best that people work at that level, especially in the beginning, so they can achieve a basic understanding of how things work. I build rustic furniture and the only power tool I use is a drill...rest of it is knife, drawknife, hand saw, rasp and sandpaper. And I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. And it drives me crazy when I run across web designers that use WYSIWYG editors that don't know how to make changes by hand using the most basic HTML tags.

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Permalink Reply by Rex on April 1, 2010 at 12:30pm

I live in the Mineral Area. Desloge, Park Hills, Farmington area. My friend Wolfs Robe contacted me today, and he now lives in Sedona Az. Makes sense actually, because he traveled out there every year, and did a 5 month tour.
I would be open to a festival. Although I have to admit that traveling for me right now is sort of tough thing. I have so many irons in the fire right now. WHen is this festival in KC? And will there be security? LOL
Gasconade is a bit closer for me, not far from Jeff City right?

And welcome to the Show Me State Sam...

Wichita Sam said:

Rex, where in Missouri? Are you up for the hoped for Festival in KC?... how about a picnic on Doughboy's farm on the Gasgonade? I'm a MO transplant by way of Puerto Rico...

the best,

Sam

Rex said:

An old friend of mine here in Missouri David Wolfs Robe, aka the Flute Man. David is an awesome musician, and as well a master flute maker. He and I talked about doing a project together at one time, but things just never panned out. Here is his website, hope this is not breaking any rules. No intentions of spamming just thought I'd share ti with you.
http://www.akaflutemanent.com/

KaptnKen said:

Alan Roberts said:

The first few cedar flutes I made, I used a chisel, hand drill and draw knife. I use a router now, but wouldn't have really grokked what I was doing if I hadn't started by hand.

Wow...I haven't heard anyone use the word "grok"...and properly...in a long time! I think it's best that people work at that level, especially in the beginning, so they can achieve a basic understanding of how things work. I build rustic furniture and the only power tool I use is a drill...rest of it is knife, drawknife, hand saw, rasp and sandpaper. And I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. And it drives me crazy when I run across web designers that use WYSIWYG editors that don't know how to make changes by hand using the most basic HTML tags.

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Permalink Reply by Wichita Sam on April 2, 2010 at 2:04am

Here's a different look at fretboard clamps....

They are violin fingerboard clamps.... the tighter you screw the knob, the better the alignment.... First try, I'll let you know how it turns out... the best, Wichita Sam

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Permalink Reply by BT Cohosh on April 2, 2010 at 10:11am

Another bid for the plain old yellow glue.

When I've done fretboards, I've just used regular pinch-clamps and checked every 30 seconds to make sure the alignment hadn't shifted. I love the chopstick/rubber band idea. And I'm seriously coveting the violin clamp thingies.

I've worked with bone a little--my results are pretty crude compared to some of the artistry you'll see on this site. I've been cutting the bone with either/or a combination of a hacksaw, dremel w/cut-off wheel, or a hand-held saber-saw with a fine-toothed blade (my middle school shop teacher would *not* like to have seen some of those situations). Final shaping is done with a piece of sandpaper on a flat surface. Stinks like a dentist's office, so not for the weak of heart.

In the end, though, I think you've just gotta shrug your shoulders and remember that, after all, it *is* made from a cigar box....

Have fun.

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Permalink Reply by Rand Moore on October 4, 2010 at 4:56pm

Then there are the folks that swear by mixing in salt or sand into their glue to give it teeth to help hold the pieces in place until the claps have all been put in place. Also, some people wait till the glue is a bit more tacky before putting together the two mating pieces. I have read about these techniques elsewhere in CBN, but haven't actually tried them.

-Rand.

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Permalink Reply by Mungo Park on October 5, 2010 at 2:31am

If you are clamping to glue, 2 things:
Nubies clamp to tight, don't reef it down so thight it squeezes out all the glue, just enough glue so it just squeezes out a tad from the joint. Tighten your clamps and just befor you walk away back them off a hair.
If the clamps are straight and not at a slight angle then the pieces should not slip.
Clamp it upside down on a table come back in about 5 min and check if it has moved.
If you have a skill saw make a guide and it should give you straighter lines.
If you cut the notch in the box well, a hack saw is cheap, you can put on the neck and close up the lid, string it up and the strings will hold it tight enough to try out befor you secure the neck.
Cheers Ron.

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