Hi All.

I've decided I wanted to try my hand at wet bending wood, so I'm planning to build a teardrop shaped bodied instrument (most likely a stick dulcimer) by soaking the wood for the sides until pliable, then forcing the wood into a jig/form that was designed around an old 8" hand-drum hoop to form the teardrop shape. I plan to document my plans and build right here in this discussion. As this is my first go at it, any constructive advice you may have is welcome. Right now I have wood for the sides clamped down and drying in the form (jig), and I need to get my design figured out on paper before I get to much further.

Well, here are a couple of photos of my first teardrop shaped side-board drying in my forming rack (jig). My forming rack is pretty crude, but I like to start simply and see where it takes me. If this minimalist forming rack doesn't hack it, I can always modify it, or build a better one from scratch. This rack is the one I built for my elliptical-shaped mountain dulcimer project. The main modification is the addition of an old skin-less hand-drum frame (hoop) around which the wet side-board is positioned and clamped down.

The sapelli wood I'm using comes in 2.2 meter length and measures 5cm (about 2") wide by 0.5 cm (about 0.2" or just under 1/4") thick. I cut a 5 foot length, soaked it for an hour in warm water. The water was originally heated to 42 degrees Celsius, but it was left to cool down as my soaking chamber (a 5 foot length of 3" wide PVC pipe, sealed on one end) has no mechanism to maintain heat for any extended period of time. So, I don't think high heat is pre-requisite for bending sapelli trim wood. But, perhaps (just maybe), heat is needed to help maintain the shape after forming (e.g. minimizing spring-back). Do you know better? I suspect I'm just building a big wooden spring and if I remove it from the rack before I have the head block attached, it will just spring back to is original (or near original) shape. Please let me know your experiences with wood bending.

Anyways, I filled the PVC pipe with the length of sapelli trim wood up with warm water in the bathtub (high tech, yes indeed!). After an hour I removed the board and kind of man-handled it into my forming rack. The wood was still pretty springy, so it took some effort to get it into the form... it wasn't like a wet noodle by any means. But it wasn't that difficult either. Once centered in place, I used a number of clamps (along with small blocks of wood to better spread the force of the clamps across the wood ) to tighten the sapelli wood ("side-board") up against half the drum hoop to help form the teardrop shape. I also added some blocks of wood as "shims" to better position the 2 ends of the side-board.

So, here is a close shot...

As is clear from these 2 photos, I did not have a clear idea of how I was going to attach the neck/head assembly (which I still need to build). To make a stick dulcimer, you need a rather long stick (neck) upon which the fretboard is mounted. As stick dulcimers are played "guitar style", the above body shape seems to be "getting in the way" of your fretting hand, making many frets difficult to reach with your fretting hand cupped around the neck. To correct this design problem some additional re-shaping of the neck will be required. Otherwise, this shape is better suited to a mountain (lap) dulcimer. Here's a couple drawings to help explain what I mean:

In the second drawing, you can see how the upper reaches of the teardrop have to be pressed downward (inward) to form a narrow "top" where the neck can be attached. This means I will have to add some more guide posts on my forming rack to form the "shoulders" that I'll need to attach the neck and head assembly to the body. Notice that these two curves will be "reverse curves" because they bend the side-board in the opposite direction from how the circular drum hoop is bending it. Also, notice how almost 3/4 of the drum hoop's circumference is now being covered by the side-board as compared to about 1/2 of the hoop in the first drawing. With a new forming-rack that implements these two reverse curves, you can bet forcing the wood to bend that much will certainly be a chore. Maybe additional soaking and/or heat application can help by making the side-board more supple.

Also a couple alternative ideas that we could explore are...

    1.) Use a smaller diameter drum hoop, say 5" or 6" instead of 8" in diameter.

    2.) Use a longer neck, usually resulting in a longer string length (VSL).

    3.) Or, perhaps some combination of these two alternative ideas.

The bridge is located 2/3s the way across the drum, but could be moved upward a couple of inches and still be well placed.This could then reduce your scale length if you were planning to increase your neck length.

Well, for now, I'm going to go with the shoulder-less (neck-less) teardrop body design. This means my target instrument will most likely be a short scale lap dulcimer. My next job will be to design and build a "head-block" to close up the teardrop and to form the frame of our sound box. I think I'll also integrate my head-block into the neck (stub) and headstock assembly. Once I'm done with this assembly, I'll mount and glue it to the side-board while the side-board is still (mostly) secured in the forming rack. So, I'll draw the plans for head-piece/neck-stub/head stock assembly now...

Okay! Back with a drawing of my headstock plans. As this first instrument will be a short scale lap dulcimer, there won't be a neck. In its place will be a fingerboard glued to the top of the sound board for pretty much entire length of the instrument. The headstock will incorporate the "head-block", a slotted "chuck of wood" that secures together the two loose ends of the teardrop shaped board to form the frame of our sound box. Here's the drawing which should clarify what I'm talking about.

Well, today, after reviewing the above drawings with machine tuners in hand, I now realize I can't do a slotted head and have the tuner knobs stick out the sides as shown above. Instead, the tuner knobs will either have to point downward like on my other stick dulcimers which feature a slotted headstock, or they'll have to point upward. I remember a few photos of slotted headstock on mountain dulcimers where the tuners were mounted upside down such that the tuning knobs rise up above the headstock, and they say it's a good way to do it as mountain dulcimers are held in the lap or sit on a table when played and tuned. Putting the tuner knobs on top makes them very accessible, but they looks ugly mounted that way (IMHO). Mounting the tuner knobs pointing downwards make them harder to reach, so that option is out. So, I think I'll change my design to a flat (no-slotted) headstock with the tuning knobs pointing out on either side as shown above. Any thoughts / advice on this matter? Well, back to the drawing board...

That's all for now...

-Rand.

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Rand

Here are a couple of doodles it would be a shame to cut off the neck after getting this far

Michael

Hi Michael,

I like your idea about trimming the backside of the neck and then infilling it. I'm not sure if my woodworking skills are up to the task, but I'll certainly give it some more thought. I've suddenly have become busy this week and next, so my response time and the speed of this project will suffer. But, I do intend to complete it.

-Rand.

Hello Rand,

I was reading through your posts again and saw the comment about the tuners.  If you want the knobs on the sides of the pegbox, you could use ukulele tuners.  Some people will say they are hard to keep tuned, esp. with steel strings, but I've found that placing a rubber faucet washer under the knob gives enough friction to hold them tight.

Hi Habanera Hal.

Keep the good ideas coming. I think I'll give your "uke tuners with rubber faucet washers and steel strings" idea a try when get around to retrofitting a couple older instruments that use uke tuners with uke strings. For this build, I've decided to go with my original slotted headstock and a set of tuners I normally would use with the tuner knobs pointing downward. Since doing my second "soak & bend" session with my teardrop hoop, the narrow longer neck made possible by the two reverse curves has left me thinking "stick dulcimer" rather than "mountain (lap) dulcimer". So, orienting the side-mounted tuners in my slotted headstock with tuner knobs pointing downwards seems the best way to go.

My builds all use bolts for nuts and a nut & bolt for the bridge, I guess because they work well and I'm too lazy or too impatient to craft my own. People also get a laugh at the improvised hardware. One day I'd like to figure out how to easily craft my own more professional looking nut and bridge.

I do have a pretty simple tailpiece design which I use on my neck-almost-thru designs. I use a short length of wood about 5cm long, 2.5cm wide and 0.5cm thick and attach it (glue & 2 screw) to the tail-end side of the sound box mounted perpendicular to the strings and just over the corner edge from the soundboard. Actually, before gluing on the tail piece board, I saw and file three groves into the side of the board thru which the string will run. So, after gluing and screwing on the tail piece board, be sure to clean the squeezed-thru glue from the holes so you can run your strings thru them. I usually just poke a piece of old string thru the holes, wipe-off the glue and repeat until I'm not getting any more glue. Then on the corner of the sound box around where the strings will bend over the corner I place a thin 1.5" (or so) long cut nail (I cut both the head and pointed tip off the nail). The nail in that location will keep the steel strings from cutting thru the wood of the sound box when you go to sting-up and tune the instrument. To make the nail stay in place, I cut a small 1.5" grove for it on the corner where the strings bend over, usually using a u-shaped wood gouge (tool). Before doing all this though, mark the center-line of the instrument on the sound box and tailpiece board. If a 3-stringer, string 2 should line up with the center-line. Then, depending on your desired string spacing (usually 3/8" to 1/2"), mark where the grove for strings 1 and 3 will go relative to the center-line. Then saw and file the right sized groves for the strings you plan to use. Next, pre-drill your 2 screw holes in the middle of the tailpiece board such that the 2 screws are place halfway between the outer strings and the middle string (on each side of the center-line. Hopefully, you can follow all that.

I hope this simple tailpiece design will work on this instrument design which is not a neck-thru or neck-almost-thru design.  The neck is incorporated into the body frame, so I hope it can stand-up to the string tension. I was thinking I could extend the fretboard all the way down -- across the sound board and tie it into the tailpiece to add some more structural strength. Any ideas about this?

As far as adding a piezo-pup, I'm not a big fan of piezo since it picks up so much "fingering noise". There might be some secret for isolating the piezo-pup (using silicon seal and/or hot glue, etc.) such that it doesn't pickup so much "fingering noise", but I haven't figured it out. Some day I plan to do a mag-pup box guitar, but that might not happen until I get back to the States to buy more building supplies like fret wire, mag-pups, and pre-amp kits. So, maybe in September. I understand that mag-pups don't pickup finger noise, at least that's what I'm hoping.

Tomorrow (Tuesday 3/20/2012) and for the rest of the week, I'll be visiting (with my wife and young daughter) more of my extended family (in-laws), this time in Singapore. So, I will have minimal access to the Internet and won't have anymore progress to report on until after I get back. Hmmm... I should Google "Singapore" and various guitar parts to see if I can get more guitar building supplies there.

Well, that's all for now.

-Rand.

Well, I'm back from a week-long family vacation to Singapore. Nice place, had a good time. Anyways, upon my return I inspected my teardrop hoop with the back-side glued on and found that the sides warped again. This time the top edge flares outward in the "reverse curves" and "neck" areas. Had I glued on the soundboard before I left, I bet it wouldn't have warped. Lessons learned: Don't delay in gluing on both the sound board and the backboard to the teardrop hoop. Pre-make any internal pieces like the tail-block and any internal bracing, and don't go on vacation mid-build. Maybe building in a humid area is also a mistake. I think a better mold design, one that will allow you to glue on the top and bottom while the bent sidepieces are still in the mold is a good idea, too. Well, back to the drawing board.

-Rand.

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