Hi all,
I am hoping to build a couple of through neck cigar box ukes and use classical guitar strings and am hoping the guitar stings will give the cigar box more energy to make more volume. I am not sure what guitar string to use for each comparable uke string.This would be using 20 inch baritone uke scale.
I want to tune to the standard GCEA Uke tuning and am wondering if anyone has experience with classical nylon strings to know what tuning up they can withstand.
For the uke G sting can I use the guitar E string and go up +3 to G with out snapping?
Can the guitar A sting be tuned up +3 to C ?
If I tune the guitar G -2 to E and the guitar B -2 to A will they be too slack?
Can anyone suggest a better strategy to use guitar strings for uke tuning?
I would like to do this using the familiar building techniques that I have used for my standard CBGs. As gifts for a couple people with the deadline of their birthday I just don't have time to learn and experiment with other building techniques.
Any insight on using classical nylon stings on these CB-Ukes would be very much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
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Thanks Richard, just wanted to make sure. : )
I experimented with nylon and steel on Eunice, my tenor reso-uke. They defiantly have different sound qualities but the volume was about the same for both types. The steel had a higher perceived volume though because they had more treble.
You can check out the difference here.
Korrigan... that video was great. I personally liked the sound of the steel strings and based upon the difference in background noise I bet those steel strings are louder. On my build I would personally prefer steel strings, but don't know if a traditional uke player would like steel strings if given a Cigar Box uke with steel strings. In making a gift I am really fighting myself as to what would overall be better vs. what would someone (both female) have more affinity for ...steel or nylon strings vs. what would sound best. Trying to read the crystal ball and foresee the future of what will get played the most by these people is driving me crazy on top of the basic technical issues.
Ah, ok, I understand. My daughter plays uke and guitar and she does have different strumming techniques for each them. She preferred the nylon strings on Eunice because she said the steel strings kind of hurt her index finger the way she was strumming. When I asked her why she didn't just strum it like she does a guitar her answer was "Because it's a uke Dad!" :D
Of course I could have fixed that by changing sting gauges for lower tension but I built it for myself and like the tension I have on it.
So yeah, given that you are building for uke players probably best to go with nylon strings. At least to start. You could mention to them that it's built strong enough for steel strings and include a set if they want to experiment.
Ordinary uke strings are cheap and they are the right gauge - don't make things any harder for yourself than needs be. Don't make it with a through neck and floating bridge - use the box with the thinnest top you can find and use a conventional glued-on uke bridge. Uke strings are very low tension compared with steel guitar strings, and a floating bridge set-up just doesn't transfer enough energy to the top to give a good sound - it will be very quiet. My advice isn't based on theory, I've made quite a few ukes and from my trial and error experiences am offering my take on it. If you make it with a through neck and floating bridge it will be disappointingly quiet (it really will be waste of time unless you build it as an amplifed instument wth a pickup and decent pre-amp), and most uke players will hate metal strings. No rules, but some things work better than others.
John,
I really appreciate your input, but I just don't feel comfortable giving away a build where I have limited time and 0 experience building that design. It is a birthday present for a friend. All boxes are different and bracing and putting tension on the entire box is very intimidating, especially when I will barely have enough time to meet my deadline, and then handing it over and simply hoping my first time is good enough that it does explode in a few months. That is why my thought of using nylon guitar strings feels like my only option. Maybe getting heavy or high tension guitar stings will do the job along with high break angles and gluing the bridge to the box top? I will be adding a pick up, but am hoping that it can be played acoustically.
A cigar box uke with a thru' neck and a floating bridge will sound quiet and weak, It's a fact, unless, unless either get lucky or really know what you are doing. Go for a longer scale as you can get more tension into the strings for a given string gauge, this will help a little with the volume.
Forget guitar strings, use uke strings -the people making the strings know what they are doing!
If you don't know how to do it, just admit it and pass on this one. Sometimes you have to learn when to say "no".
Titch did you use this as strings on a neck through design or built as a uke with strings tied to bridge? My concern is not cost, but acoustic sound on a neck through design.
I had not thought that would be an issue. With fishing line you can cut to length you need.
For the record I have never gone all the way through on a uke. I do go all the way to the end just not all the way through. Then I usually add a tailpiece. Usually screwing it on.
See https://www.instructables.com/id/Ford-mini-glovebox-guitarukulele/
Titch.... thanks for that instructable. .... gives me some ideas !
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