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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on February 3, 2011 at 6:09pm

the two edges you are joining up ought to be square if your neck blank is..

the bandsawn edges become the top and bottom edges, i think you may be doing it a different way from me ?

Jon Pruett said:

I am building my first one with a body scarf joint similar to this and found that I had to sand the angled cut to get a nice smooth glue joint. I suppose anyone able to get a really smooth and straight cut the first time through might be able to skip this step, but if the two surfaces that are going to be glued together don't mate up smoothly the glue joint won't hold as well.

Jef Long said:

haha mine arent so nice on the inside, they have a little sticker that says 'what the fuck are you doing  looking in here?'

:D

MichaelS said:

What do you need to sand it for Jef, the part you cut is hidden in the box, unless the inside of your guitar is as nice as the outside, mine aren't.

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Permalink Reply by Jon Pruett on February 4, 2011 at 3:21am

Square? Isn't that one of those theoretical shapes that only occurs on paper? :)   

I forgot to mention that I'm working with a 3-piece laminated neck and forgot to run it through the planer before I made the angled cut. Turned out that only one side was square - the other side was... not.   Made for lots of extra planing and sanding clean up work.  I should probably write that one up in the "Hall of Shame" group.... - must make both sides of the neck square before cutting a scarf joint.

Jef Long said:

the two edges you are joining up ought to be square if your neck blank is..

the bandsawn edges become the top and bottom edges, i think you may be doing it a different way from me ?

Jon Pruett said:

I am building my first one with a body scarf joint similar to this and found that I had to sand the angled cut to get a nice smooth glue joint. I suppose anyone able to get a really smooth and straight cut the first time through might be able to skip this step, but if the two surfaces that are going to be glued together don't mate up smoothly the glue joint won't hold as well.

Jef Long said:

haha mine arent so nice on the inside, they have a little sticker that says 'what the fuck are you doing  looking in here?'

:D

MichaelS said:

What do you need to sand it for Jef, the part you cut is hidden in the box, unless the inside of your guitar is as nice as the outside, mine aren't.

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Permalink Reply by Mister Scott on March 7, 2011 at 8:28am

I hate to say it, but I'm still lost without a technique on making angled necks.

 

I'd like to find a way to do them for box-through designs, similar to the good people at Daddy Mojo, but I guess I'm not mechanically inclined enough to figure out how they do it. Michael S described a technique early into this thread for a box-through method, but I couldn't visualize it. If anyone has a technique they'd like to share, please bring it to the thread...

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on March 7, 2011 at 8:56am

Now sh*t, This is a great idea. I do something like this but haven't done the scarf. Super!

 

-WY

 

Jef Long said:

 

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try a body end scarf join ;)

 

the new square edge becomes the plane that the soundboard is on.  I always angle my necks, a big tall bridge is great..

make the bridge last of all, and shave it down to the action u like

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Permalink Reply by MichaelS Country Boy Guitars on March 7, 2011 at 12:12pm

Its easy, wish I could draw it for you. When you cut out the relief behind the lid, so the neck does not touch the lid, there is a point at the front were the neck meets the box lid, and a point at the end were the neck meets the box lid. shave the point at the bridge end lower than the point at the neck end and you will get an angled neck. The amount you shave it will determine the amount of angle. 

Scotty C. said:

I hate to say it, but I'm still lost without a technique on making angled necks.

 

I'd like to find a way to do them for box-through designs, similar to the good people at Daddy Mojo, but I guess I'm not mechanically inclined enough to figure out how they do it. Michael S described a technique early into this thread for a box-through method, but I couldn't visualize it. If anyone has a technique they'd like to share, please bring it to the thread...

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on March 7, 2011 at 4:18pm

Dude

 

Can't be simpler. Want a better image or the SketchUp file, I can have that for you.

 

-WY

Scotty C. said:

I hate to say it, but I'm still lost without a technique on making angled necks.

 

I'd like to find a way to do them for box-through designs, similar to the good people at Daddy Mojo, but I guess I'm not mechanically inclined enough to figure out how they do it. Michael S described a technique early into this thread for a box-through method, but I couldn't visualize it. If anyone has a technique they'd like to share, please bring it to the thread...

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on March 7, 2011 at 4:22pm

Better yet, visit my blog on this

 

http://www.cigarboxnation.com/profiles/blogs/cbg-plans

 

-WY

Scotty C. said:

I hate to say it, but I'm still lost without a technique on making angled necks.

 

I'd like to find a way to do them for box-through designs, similar to the good people at Daddy Mojo, but I guess I'm not mechanically inclined enough to figure out how they do it. Michael S described a technique early into this thread for a box-through method, but I couldn't visualize it. If anyone has a technique they'd like to share, please bring it to the thread...

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Permalink Reply by Mister Scott on March 7, 2011 at 7:03pm

Wes, your plans have helped me out more often than you know, but these days I want to start using taller bridges than i have previously -- like, around 0.65" tall. Doing a through-box with no neck angle is going to result in too-high string height, especially as you move down the fretboard. Ya know?

I very much appreciate the advice, though.

Wes "Moanin' Mule" Yates said:

Dude
Can't be simpler. Want a better image or the SketchUp file, I can have that for you.

-WY

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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on March 7, 2011 at 8:34pm

the two concepts do not exclude each other, you may be able to see, this body-end-scarfed neck also features the "Wes Yates scoopy thing" :D

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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on March 7, 2011 at 11:06pm

ScottyC, you were asking about these tailpieces..

here you can see all the pieces except the combo strap pin / output jack..

it all goes together like lego..

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Permalink Reply by Mark Bliss on March 8, 2011 at 1:10am

Scotty,

For an idea on angling the neck a bit, as well as a scarf joint free angled headstock, study this neck I built.

The design could easily be modified for a hard fingerboard laminated to the top as I plan in one of my next builds, but I wanted to present a simple method for those with limited tools and experience.

In the 7th picture you can see where I am cutting the back side of the neck in the box relief area at a slight angle, the front matches to create a 2 degree neg neck set angle.

With the finger board surface about 1/4" above the box where it meets the box, this one will require about a .6" tall bridge. Plenty of flexibility in the design for changing it to suit your needs.

Good luck on your efforts!

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Permalink Reply by Mister Scott on March 8, 2011 at 3:16am

I want to thank everyone who's posted with some suggestions... there's a lot to think about from Mark, Michael, Wes and Jef, and everyone else. I truly do appreciate the advice!

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