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Permalink Reply by Dan Sleep on January 3, 2011 at 2:53pm

Nice! I like the way you shaped the bridge/saddle piece.

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Permalink Reply by tal bluver on January 3, 2011 at 6:33pm

thanks

its from the same wood as the neck

Dan Sleep said:

Nice! I like the way you shaped the bridge/saddle piece.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Bliss on January 4, 2011 at 12:30am

Looks nice Tal, When I first saw your post I thought uh-oh- El DUD erino, then I realized it was El-DUDE rino LOL!

I've been eyeballing a similar or the same box for a build, and I like what youve done with it. I'd like to know more about it!

Scale length, string guage and a picture of the inside construction would be a nice touch!

Are the fret markers burned on? I like the stars.

Also, is that a zero fret or a metal bar nut? (My eyes are getting pretty bad!)

Piezo installation and results?

Oh, and heres an embedded view for everyone:

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Permalink Reply by Michael R Cossey on January 4, 2011 at 1:57am

Thats a CBG to be proud of......good going!

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Permalink Reply by tal bluver on January 4, 2011 at 6:56pm

hi man.

the marks are burned.

I installed light guage & tuned it to DGbd using the high strings 1,2,3,4

its gut a nice acustic sound.

the piezo is installed but not wired cuase the potenssiometer thath i'v got is no good so im waiting for a shipping.
Mark Bliss said:

Looks nice Tal, When I first saw your post I thought uh-oh- El DUD erino, then I realized it was El-DUDE rino LOL!

I've been eyeballing a similar or the same box for a build, and I like what youve done with it. I'd like to know more about it!

Scale length, string guage and a picture of the inside construction would be a nice touch!

Are the fret markers burned on? I like the stars.

Also, is that a zero fret or a metal bar nut? (My eyes are getting pretty bad!)

Piezo installation and results?

Oh, and heres an embedded view for everyone:

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Permalink Reply by petey twofinger on January 5, 2011 at 8:18am

really sweet ! id love to do a headstock like that . only have a jig saw and a few "skill" saws . what tools do you use to do that ?

 

looks great .

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Permalink Reply by tal bluver on January 5, 2011 at 8:44am

its pritty easy!

I like to use a small electric multi-tool

something like that:

you can find these machines  in your local store.

you will also need to buy a set of heads for the tool.

for shapping the head lise so i used a sander head.
petey twofinger said:

really sweet ! id love to do a headstock like that . only have a jig saw and a few "skill" saws . what tools do you use to do that ?

 

looks great .

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Permalink Reply by Rand Moore on January 5, 2011 at 4:11pm

Hi Tal Bluver.

For a second build, you did a real nice job. The two points where I think most people (self included) would pick out are the 45 degree angle of your scarf cut and the fact that you glue the neck all along where it intersects the sound board (top of your cigar box). Most scarf angles are made between 10 and 25 degrees, with 15 degrees usually considered "ideal". The lower the angle, the longer the cut and the larger the surface area for the glue on the two surfaces to stick, making a stronger joint. The exact angle is a matter of personal aesthetics. The sound board will have better acoustic response if you leave a space between the neck and the soundboard. This is usually accomplished by cutting a 1/8" to 1/4" hollow about 80 or 90% of the length of the cigar box, leaving maybe 1/2" to 1" on either end to glue the neck to the cigar box. Here is a diagram illustrating this idea:


Is this CBG going to be an electric? I saw one photo with a circular hollow cut in it that looked like it was intended for a piezo pickup. Also, I thought you did a real good job with your frets. Fretting a neck well is still tough for me to do. I think the scope of your project was quite ambitious for a second build. If this were a school project, I'd give you a fat "A".

-Rand.

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Permalink Reply by ChickenboneJohn on January 5, 2011 at 8:05pm

El Duderino..I like it, but not sure if guitar would be the The Dude's 'thing'....still, ".....it really ties the room together, man...."

 

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Permalink Reply by tal bluver on January 6, 2011 at 8:59am

MARK IT ZERO!!!!

ChickenboneJohn said:

El Duderino..I like it, but not sure if guitar would be the The Dude's 'thing'....still, ".....it really ties the room together, man...."

 

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Permalink Reply by tal bluver on January 6, 2011 at 9:06am

Hi man!
thank you for the reply.

I didn't understand what you ment about angels.

I didn't use any angels in the neck.

I wanted at start that the head (where the tuners) will be in an angel but I failed to cut it properly so I went on a different aproach.
Rand Moore said:

Hi Tal Bluver.

For a second build, you did a real nice job. The two points where I think most people (self included) would pick out are the 45 degree angle of your scarf cut and the fact that you glue the neck all along where it intersects the sound board (top of your cigar box). Most scarf angles are made between 10 and 25 degrees, with 15 degrees usually considered "ideal". The lower the angle, the longer the cut and the larger the surface area for the glue on the two surfaces to stick, making a stronger joint. The exact angle is a matter of personal aesthetics. The sound board will have better acoustic response if you leave a space between the neck and the soundboard. This is usually accomplished by cutting a 1/8" to 1/4" hollow about 80 or 90% of the length of the cigar box, leaving maybe 1/2" to 1" on either end to glue the neck to the cigar box. Here is a diagram illustrating this idea:


Is this CBG going to be an electric? I saw one photo with a circular hollow cut in it that looked like it was intended for a piezo pickup. Also, I thought you did a real good job with your frets. Fretting a neck well is still tough for me to do. I think the scope of your project was quite ambitious for a second build. If this were a school project, I'd give you a fat "A".

-Rand.

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Permalink Reply by Rand Moore on January 6, 2011 at 8:02pm

The angle I was talking about is where the head joins the neck. This angle (not angel) is generally around 15 degrees, but on yours it appears from the photos to be 45 degrees. You may have cut your headstock out of a thicker piece of wood using the mini electric saw you have in the earlier part of this discussion. More often, a head is made by slicing off about six inches of the neck at a 15 degree angle. The 6" piece is then flipped over and glued onto the underside of the neck so that the head stock bends down at a 15 degree angle. If you play around with positioning the head relative to the neck, there is another way the two pieces can join where the hear is also parallel with the neck, but the 15 degree angle is more gentle and elegant looking. It also provides a larger area for the glue to hold the two piece tegether for a stronger joint.

-Rand.
tal bluver said:

Hi man!
thank you for the reply.

I didn't understand what you ment about angels.

I didn't use any angels in the neck.

I wanted at start that the head (where the tuners) will be in an angel but I failed to cut it properly so I went on a different aproach.
Rand Moore said:

Hi Tal Bluver.

For a second build, you did a real nice job. The two points where I think most people (self included) would pick out are the 45 degree angle of your scarf cut and the fact that you glue the neck all along where it intersects the sound board (top of your cigar box). Most scarf angles are made between 10 and 25 degrees, with 15 degrees usually considered "ideal". The lower the angle, the longer the cut and the larger the surface area for the glue on the two surfaces to stick, making a stronger joint. The exact angle is a matter of personal aesthetics. The sound board will have better acoustic response if you leave a space between the neck and the soundboard. This is usually accomplished by cutting a 1/8" to 1/4" hollow about 80 or 90% of the length of the cigar box, leaving maybe 1/2" to 1" on either end to glue the neck to the cigar box. Here is a diagram illustrating this idea:


Is this CBG going to be an electric? I saw one photo with a circular hollow cut in it that looked like it was intended for a piezo pickup. Also, I thought you did a real good job with your frets. Fretting a neck well is still tough for me to do. I think the scope of your project was quite ambitious for a second build. If this were a school project, I'd give you a fat "A".

-Rand.

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