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So, here we are, setting up another CBG forum. Yahoo is great and all, but it feels so 1980's. It reminds me of the old modem and bulletin board days. Esh, glad those days are gone. So far, so good with the new site.

What are the plans for the new site? More builds, more playing, more plans to swap, more self-promotion for shows, sales and all that stuff?

Looking forward to this new adventure.

Jehle

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Permalink Reply by Wichita Sam on December 21, 2008 at 1:23pm

Matt,

Maybe "CBG" is transcultural... therefore bigger that "punk rock in the basement" or picketing to gain support at the Greek embassy... What if (I wonder) "CBG" is a polymorphous idea that means different things to different people and is therefore sustainable in multiply expressions both overlapping and distinct...

Or, hell, who really cares, cause I just like building them?

the best,

Wichita Sam

matt carroll said:

"so that maybe outsiders will pay a bit more serious attention to it's possibilities."

do you really need the outsiders, though?

if i'm trying to do political organizing, yeah, outsiders are really fucking important - it's why anarchists in boston have been demonstrating in front of the greek consulate off and on all week. if you want to change shit, you need mass support.

on the other hand, culturally, you really just need enough people to keep something going. if all of a sudden three times as many people started trying to go to punk rock basement shows in a city, it wouldn't be sustainable anymore.

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Permalink Reply by matt carroll on December 22, 2008 at 11:56am

to rephrase a little bit:

i think what's important with diy cultural production is pursuing excellence, emotional catharsis, personal fulfillment, and trying to reclaim your own culture from corporate mass marketing. if it gets big, that can be ok, but that shouldn't be the point most of the time, and diy cultural production also proves that small and personal can be beautiful.

Wichita Sam said:

Matt,

Maybe "CBG" is transcultural... therefore bigger that "punk rock in the basement" or picketing to gain support at the Greek embassy... What if (I wonder) "CBG" is a polymorphous idea that means different things to different people and is therefore sustainable in multiply expressions both overlapping and distinct...

Or, hell, who really cares, cause I just like building them?

the best,

Wichita Sam

matt carroll said:
"so that maybe outsiders will pay a bit more serious attention to it's possibilities."

do you really need the outsiders, though?

if i'm trying to do political organizing, yeah, outsiders are really fucking important - it's why anarchists in boston have been demonstrating in front of the greek consulate off and on all week. if you want to change shit, you need mass support.

on the other hand, culturally, you really just need enough people to keep something going. if all of a sudden three times as many people started trying to go to punk rock basement shows in a city, it wouldn't be sustainable anymore.