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Permalink Reply by Rand Moore on January 16, 2011 at 2:19pm

This discussion on angled necks has me thinking about my tunable bridge again. The problem it had was it was too tall off the soundboard, so the action was too high. But angling back the neck may be the answer to this problem. Thanks for the idea.

-Rand.

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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on January 17, 2011 at 8:35pm

haha mine arent so nice on the inside, they have a little sticker that says 'what the fuck are you doing  looking in here?'

:D

MichaelS said:

What do you need to sand it for Jef, the part you cut is hidden in the box, unless the inside of your guitar is as nice as the outside, mine aren't.

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Permalink Reply by Vagabanjo on January 30, 2011 at 11:47am

With my first attempt the action on the Cookie tin banjo was way high, but I was able to steam off a fretboard off an old guitar and add 1/8 ply under it making the action spot on fro frailing. More luck than judgement and th combination strenghtened the oak neck, the end result was easy to use as well.

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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on February 1, 2011 at 12:57am

here is the banjo from the first of those necks in the pic I put earlier with the scarf join in the body end, i dont know if you can see the neck angle right, i may snap another later.. but you can see how tall the bridge is and how low the action :)

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Permalink Reply by Uncle John on February 1, 2011 at 2:18am

That is really fine.  How is it tuned?

Jef Long said:

here is the banjo from the first of those necks in the pic I put earlier with the scarf join in the body end, i dont know if you can see the neck angle right, i may snap another later.. but you can see how tall the bridge is and how low the action :)

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Permalink Reply by Mister Scott on February 1, 2011 at 5:08am

That's gorgeous, Jeff. What are using there for a tail-stop?

Jef Long said:

here is the banjo from the first of those necks in the pic I put earlier with the scarf join in the body end, i dont know if you can see the neck angle right, i may snap another later.. but you can see how tall the bridge is and how low the action :)

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Permalink Reply by Glaze on February 1, 2011 at 7:36am

Scotty

 

Thomas Humphrey built the Millennium classical guitar with a radical neck/body angle.  He built the Millennium this way because it increased the guitars volume.  I personally think this design pulled on the guitars top more keeping it more taught which resulted in the guitar being louder.  Kind of like a drum head being tightened to a higher tension versus a drum head that is not tightened enough.  There is a point that a drum head will not sound good and it will sound dull if it is not tightened enough.  At the 35th second in this video they show a side shot of the guitar showing you the neck angle in relation to the guitar body.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn5U6RRF8IE

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Permalink Reply by Glaze on February 1, 2011 at 8:03am

Acoustic guitars that have a tail piece holding the strings at the end of the body (I have a cheap Kay acoustic with this design) and then route the strings over a bridge sound different than acoustics with a bridge glued on the top of the guitar which also holds the guitar strings(like a Martin).  Both of these designs change where and how much tension is on the acoustic guitar top and it changes the sound.

 

Many CBG's I've seen run the guitar strings from the end of the neck/stick and then route the strings over a bridge on the top of the cigar box so most of the tension is not pulling on the top of the cigar box( I like the tone of this design).  If all of the tension was pulling on the top of the cigar box it would have to be built in a way to handle the string tension because many cigar boxes just could not handle it.         

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Permalink Reply by Josh Gayou (SmokehouseGuitars) on February 1, 2011 at 10:47am

I'm not typically a bad mouther but that looks horrendous.  On the other hand, I bet its extremely comfortable to play because it would keep your left wrist at a much more natural angle.

Glaze said:

Scotty

 

Thomas Humphrey built the Millennium classical guitar with a radical neck/body angle.  He built the Millennium this way because it increased the guitars volume.  I personally think this design pulled on the guitars top more keeping it more taught which resulted in the guitar being louder.  Kind of like a drum head being tightened to a higher tension versus a drum head that is not tightened enough.  There is a point that a drum head will not sound good and it will sound dull if it is not tightened enough.  At the 35th second in this video they show a side shot of the guitar showing you the neck angle in relation to the guitar body.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn5U6RRF8IE

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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on February 1, 2011 at 2:14pm

cheers boys.  tuning is regular 3 string tuning with octave pairs, in this case its gdg which is pretty much my standard at a 600mm (23 5/8) scale.  this is pretty much my standard setup and tuning, its what I talk people into if they dont know what they want, uses a regular set of 6 strings, no waste.

 

the tail is a bit of scrap galvanized sheet steel wrapped in leather off an old sofa and with a bit of foam rubber padding between to give the leather an upholstered / cushion type of texture and pad the heads of 4 screws which dont go through the leather.  I needed a conductive tail to ground the mag pup to.  Im pretty happy with that tail, i'll be doing more like that

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Permalink Reply by Glaze on February 2, 2011 at 4:02am

Josh

 

Acoustic Guitar Magazine ran an article on this guitar many years ago.  Later on Martin guitars made their own version of this guitar with the builders blessing and released it on the market.  Personally I thought it was extremely cool for such a new and original design.  

 

Imagine building something like this with that neck angle?  Now that would be incredibly hard.         

Josh Gayou (SmokehouseGuitars) said:

I'm not typically a bad mouther but that looks horrendous.  On the other hand, I bet its extremely comfortable to play because it would keep your left wrist at a much more natural angle.

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Permalink Reply by Jon Pruett on February 3, 2011 at 10:31am

I am building my first one with a body scarf joint similar to this and found that I had to sand the angled cut to get a nice smooth glue joint. I suppose anyone able to get a really smooth and straight cut the first time through might be able to skip this step, but if the two surfaces that are going to be glued together don't mate up smoothly the glue joint won't hold as well.

Jef Long said:

haha mine arent so nice on the inside, they have a little sticker that says 'what the fuck are you doing  looking in here?'

:D

MichaelS said:

What do you need to sand it for Jef, the part you cut is hidden in the box, unless the inside of your guitar is as nice as the outside, mine aren't.

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