I've been thinking about correctly building a 'wrong' guitar.
This isn't to do with looks. Anything can hold a vibrating string, from the most beautiful crafted bit of wood to.. well, a bit of wood :)
It's about the fretboard.
It would be easy to just put all the frets in the wrong places randomly but how would you guys make something deliberately wrong so that the music produced from it is just slightly 'wrong' but in all the right ways?
I'm just making this up and freewheeling to see what you guys think. Eg.. 'Make the third, fifth and tenth fret flat with the fifth fret slanted so the bass string is correct but the high sting is sharp'
As builders we can create a whole new way of reaching a guitar 'sound' that is unique, and capable of being reproduced.
Does anyone get why I'm talking about?
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Yes Microtonal. Iv'e heard some very interesting music done in nothing but microtones.
Here's something I just found on youtube that might interest you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsSjh5TTqI
Possibly some fretting ideas for ya. I'd say go for it. This would be to cool to pass up.
Here's a link I found a wile back. It's a bit scattered in information. But may give you ideas on where to look for farther information.
What if the 'stinker' is just slightly a stinker but it becomes what a 'stinky' is.
Like.. It's only CBG builders that can build a 'stinky' because we know you move the fith back 10% and the 7th forwards 5%
That is what a 'stinky' is.
Blue rat gets it. A deliberate microtonal change that defines a 'stinky'.
You can't get a stinky from a shop, you got to get one built for you.
Stinky blues.
Deliberate and reproducable.
Oh and erasmo, why did you post that in the bane's photo of his brothers guitar?
That was a helava wierd thing to do.
I'm talking about how to microtune a CBG by shifting the tuning of the fretboard into something that only a hand made instrument can achieve to produce a 'sound' that no other commercial guitar can make.
Something that is reproducable because we hand craft these things.
How can we go about creating something like this, any ideas?
Think I get it now, after reading this thread, it was probably because a few of my frets are a bit off - but still plays okay.
Don't know if this is fitting for this conversation, but what about combining diatonic and chromatic on different strings? It would give a 'sound' that no other guitar has, be unique to the builder, and could be reproduced? Not sure how it would effect chords though.
For example, low string chromatic throughout, middle chromatic at the top and diatonic at the bottom, and the high string inverse of that?
Don't know if that's what is being sought, just trying to brainstorm a bit and help out.
Best,
The Bane
"Honky-tonks were rough establishments, providing country music in the Deep South and Southwest and serving alcoholic beverages to a working-class clientele. Some honky-tonks offered dancing to music played by pianists or small bands, and some were centers of prostitution. Katrina Hazzard-Gordon wrote that the honky-tonk was "the first urban manifestation of the jook", and that "the name itself became synonymous with a style of music. Related to the classic blues in tonal structure, honky-tonk has a tempo that is slightly stepped up. It is rhythmically suited for many African-American dance." - Wikipedia
"The first music genre to be commonly known as honky-tonk was a style of piano playing related to ragtime but emphasizing rhythm more than melody or harmony; the style evolved in response to an environment in which pianos were often poorly cared for, tending to be out of tune and having some nonfunctioning keys. " - Wikipedia
What I'm suggesting is a particular way of building a CBG intentionally wrong to remake or create an instrument that can be utilised by musicians.
Can we create a CBG honky tonk that is intentionally wrong in a certain way?
That would really mess with the whole music industry and place the art of luthery back into the hands of the instrument makers.
"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" - Gene Wilder. Charlie and the chocolate factory.
How about something like prepared piano where objects are placed in the strings to alter the sounds.
That's AWESOME! Totally cool vid.
I've heard, but have not done research on this, so take it with a grain of salt. The 'honk' sound was created by placing chains inside the upright pianos.
By doing just a little research they also used leather, wood or a steal bar with brash tacks imbedded. The piano string would strike the tack as it vibrated. There may be other ways to get that sound as well. Some of these rigs were hung on levers. They could be raised or lowered as needed. ( Yes I did a search wile typing this entry. I'm crazy that way.... : )
Wow. Hahaha that's fantastically strange. I like your thinking turtlehead.
But I think the idea works best on a many stringed instrument.
i forget who it was but someone on here made "X"frets . frets cut in an x pattern XX X X X X etc,,
but it worked cause it was a one stringer and the string hit the correct spot in the center of the X .
could make for some cool bends too i imagine .
sorry to debunk an urban myth but according to the web site i read to check it is Brian Jones playing a sitar not an out of tune 12 string..
http://inktank.fi/7-super-song-facts-about-paint-it-black-by-the-ro...
photo between points 3 and 4 show him playing the sitar..
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