Cable tie frets

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I was looking for a way to mark out the frets on a lap steel I'm building and thought this might be of some use to others building any type of fretless guitar.

After marking out and cutting the slots like I would do if using fret wire, I used a hacksaw to widen the slots out to hold a 4" plastic cable tie. The hacksaw blade was the perfect size.9353853056?profile=originalI cut the slot deep enough to allow 3/4 of the cable tie to set in the slot. I then drilled out the fret markers and used white glue to install the ties and markers. Simply run a bead of glue over the slot and push the tie down and across with your finger. This will spread the glue evenly in the slot. A damp paper towel was all that was needed to clean the glue off the board.9353853883?profile=originalAfter allowing the glue to dry, I cut off the ends of the cable ties and sanded everything flush going up to 320 grit. A palm sander could be used to knock the plastic ties down even with the board, but I simply used a sanding block. The plastic works down pretty fast. A few coats of Danish oil to seal the board and this is the results.9353854280?profile=originalThese cable ties come in many different colors and are pretty cheap to buy. As the picture above showed, I cut the large markers out of a medium black pick with a 1/4" paper punch.

I'm very happy with the way it turned out. You could put a thin strip of wood on each side of the board to give it a binding look and cover the ends of the ties, but I'm leaving this one as is. I hope this has been helpful and someone gets some use from it.

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  • Excellent Idea !!!

  • Thanks for all the comments gentlemen............glad you could get some use from this :-)

  • Sorry Michael....having joined this site very recently I missed your earlier comment so apologise to all for repeating you!

    I made a lute from a kit about 20 years ago but found that the string material I used for the frets (nylon string lengths) very difficult to tighten adequately and I had to resort to cryo glue in one or two cases!! I suspect that gut has higher friction than nylon?

  • You're right Bernie see the photo of my lute earlier in this discussion

  • Ha ha...yes good point!!!

    Then I went back to photo 3 and it clearly shows them on their sides!

    The idea of non-metallic frets goes back into the renaissance/baroque periods where instruments such as the lute and baroque guitar were fretted with loops of gut tied around the 'fret' board.

  • Awesome idea. Certainly a giant step up from my usual pencil marks. I may try this on my next fretless build. Thanks very much for sharing this with us.

  • What a brilliant idea ... I'm going to try that on my next one as I have a large stock of ties...white unfortunately!

    The black pick-punched discs are clever too...great!

  • gonna have to try that. My latest gits are a pair, andI was thinking of doing just that. Now I have the info I need. Thanks.

  • Great idea

    Thanks 

  • I've done it and they work great. If your doin just slide their real good! Freting is ok for a time.

    They clean up good if you want to replace them. Don't use any super glue.

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