Problem with high G string - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T05:36:28Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/problem-with-high-g-string?feed=yes&xn_auth=no.029 is WAY too heavy for a h…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-08-04:2592684:Comment:31745612018-08-04T16:44:44.591ZChickenboneJohnhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChickenboneJohn
<p>.029 is WAY too heavy for a high G - that's about right for D, but you need to be around .020-.024 for a high G</p>
<p>.029 is WAY too heavy for a high G - that's about right for D, but you need to be around .020-.024 for a high G</p> Pretty sure those holes on th…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-08-03:2592684:Comment:31744222018-08-03T20:02:43.536ZBlueshearthttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Bluesheart
<p>Pretty sure those holes on the hinge are countersunk , which makes them like the edge of your wire cutters. Maybe file them out and use the brass washer trick shown in here instead of looping them back at that sharp angle.</p>
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<p>Pretty sure those holes on the hinge are countersunk , which makes them like the edge of your wire cutters. Maybe file them out and use the brass washer trick shown in here instead of looping them back at that sharp angle.</p>
<p></p> I use a .026 wound for my hig…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-22:2592684:Comment:31681212018-07-22T15:51:22.672ZJohn Sawyerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/JohnSawyer
<p>I use a .026 wound for my high G string... even then, they're pretty tight... Probably a combination of all the great suggestions above...</p>
<p>I use a .026 wound for my high G string... even then, they're pretty tight... Probably a combination of all the great suggestions above...</p> Thanks for the advice Don, th…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-18:2592684:Comment:31656072018-07-18T09:29:25.452ZAlex Russellhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/AlexRussell
<p>Thanks for the advice Don, this would reduce the strain in the strings, I think it would be a good idea to use lighter strings.</p>
<p>The Cigar Box and some of the hardware in the build came from someone local who makes CBGs and in his experience if the tuning peg isn't sitting right it can cause problems. On checking I found the peg for the high G string is wobbling slightly. He is at a local Americana music event this weekend and offered to look at it for me. I'll keep everyone posted on…</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice Don, this would reduce the strain in the strings, I think it would be a good idea to use lighter strings.</p>
<p>The Cigar Box and some of the hardware in the build came from someone local who makes CBGs and in his experience if the tuning peg isn't sitting right it can cause problems. On checking I found the peg for the high G string is wobbling slightly. He is at a local Americana music event this weekend and offered to look at it for me. I'll keep everyone posted on developments.</p> Yep, works for me too.
Tafftag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-17:2592684:Comment:31654072018-07-17T21:25:08.784ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Yep, works for me too.</p>
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<p>Yep, works for me too.</p>
<p>Taff</p> Instead of looping the string…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-17:2592684:Comment:31650662018-07-17T11:48:12.017ZDon Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/DonCraig
<p>Instead of looping the string through the bead, thread it through a small washer and then through the hinge. Here's one using copper rivet washers on a similar hinge<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306707762?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306707762?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"></a>, been using it like this for a year with no breakage.</p>
<p>Instead of looping the string through the bead, thread it through a small washer and then through the hinge. Here's one using copper rivet washers on a similar hinge<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306707762?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306707762?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"></a>, been using it like this for a year with no breakage.</p> tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-12:2592684:Comment:31624192018-07-12T12:43:37.333ZChris B-stockhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChrisBeitz
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306709000?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306709000?profile=original" class="align-full" width="223"></a></p> That's a better plan. I would…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-12:2592684:Comment:31623192018-07-12T12:21:10.942ZChris B-stockhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChrisBeitz
<p>That's a better plan. I would leave the hinge on and drill through the tailpiece so the strings still go through the hinge, but at a much shallower angle. That will keep the look you already have with minimal modification. You will probably need metal eyelets or ferrules on the back of the tailpiece to prevent the ball ends from chewing into the wood. The hinge will protect the wood on top.</p>
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<p>That's a better plan. I would leave the hinge on and drill through the tailpiece so the strings still go through the hinge, but at a much shallower angle. That will keep the look you already have with minimal modification. You will probably need metal eyelets or ferrules on the back of the tailpiece to prevent the ball ends from chewing into the wood. The hinge will protect the wood on top.</p>
<p></p> Thanks for your advice guys. …tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-12:2592684:Comment:31624062018-07-12T10:22:33.976ZAlex Russellhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/AlexRussell
<p>Thanks for your advice guys. Low G and middle D are tuned to G1, I've tried tuning down to the octave below but this makes the strings too loose. So I have been trying to tune the high G to the next octave up, which would be G2. When tuning up the string becomes incredibly tight, more so than my other CBG which I have tuned up to G# with no problem. Not sure of the gauge of the strings on that one as I didn't build it but they are lighter bronze wound but still quite thick.</p>
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<p>Thanks for your advice guys. Low G and middle D are tuned to G1, I've tried tuning down to the octave below but this makes the strings too loose. So I have been trying to tune the high G to the next octave up, which would be G2. When tuning up the string becomes incredibly tight, more so than my other CBG which I have tuned up to G# with no problem. Not sure of the gauge of the strings on that one as I didn't build it but they are lighter bronze wound but still quite thick.</p>
<p>I have been considering removing the hinge and threading the strings through drilled holes the tailpiece to see if that helps. Lighter strings might improve things.</p> That's a tough bend for a str…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-07-12:2592684:Comment:31622742018-07-12T03:00:23.486ZChris B-stockhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChrisBeitz
<p>That's a tough bend for a string to make through the hole in the hinge. It's essentially a 180 degree bend. You could put something (small dowel, nail, machine screw...) behind the hinge to round out the bend and ease the stress on that point. A piece of wire insulation might work. Strip the insulation and run the string through it so the insulation cushions the string around the bend. Stevie Ray's guitar tech used that trick when he was breaking strings at the saddle.</p>
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<p>That's a tough bend for a string to make through the hole in the hinge. It's essentially a 180 degree bend. You could put something (small dowel, nail, machine screw...) behind the hinge to round out the bend and ease the stress on that point. A piece of wire insulation might work. Strip the insulation and run the string through it so the insulation cushions the string around the bend. Stevie Ray's guitar tech used that trick when he was breaking strings at the saddle.</p>
<p>The string gauges I use are similar to the third (G), fourth (D), and fifth (A - tuned to G) strings on a six string. So my string gauges are 0.018", 0.026", and 0.038". The high G is not wound, so you can get a more singing slide tone. The other two are wound. No tuning issues.</p>
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