MY 2nd build- EL DUDERINO

Bad Finger (Eric) February 26, 2011 at 7:24am

The dude abides. Nice second build.

Josh Gayou (SmokehouseGuitars) February 24, 2011 at 8:48pm

Not into the whole "brevity" thing, huh?

tal bluver February 24, 2011 at 3:20pm

I dont remember the name of the wood...

I finished it with polirethaine (?) oil

although its not as smooth as laquer.
Hal Spalter said:

Tal,

What wood did you use for the neck? How did you finish it? I guess because of the lighting, all three pics look different. The second pic looks like walnut, which is something I'm considering for a fretboard for a future build. PS: Looks Good!

Habanera Hal February 24, 2011 at 9:48am

Tal,

What wood did you use for the neck? How did you finish it? I guess because of the lighting, all three pics look different. The second pic looks like walnut, which is something I'm considering for a fretboard for a future build. PS: Looks Good!

tal bluver January 7, 2011 at 8:23am

I will upload a video In a few days..

Mark Bliss said:

Like I said before my eyes arent so good anymore, so correct me if I am wrong but.....

It looks like a slabbed headstock with a lap joint to me. I doubt the joint is too weak that way, and functionally we see similar CBG headstocks done that way all the time that seem to work ok.

You have some string angle over the nut, I would guess by the pictures maybe 10 degrees.

I remain curious as to the nut, is it a piece of rod or a zero fret?

And the box/neck construction-the way you have the strings through the box etc leads me to believe you have done something different internally, I would be curious to see what you did there.

All that matters in the end though Tal, is how does it play and sound?

Having fun with it I hope!

Mark Bliss January 7, 2011 at 7:15am

Like I said before my eyes arent so good anymore, so correct me if I am wrong but.....

It looks like a slabbed headstock with a lap joint to me. I doubt the joint is too weak that way, and functionally we see similar CBG headstocks done that way all the time that seem to work ok.

You have some string angle over the nut, I would guess by the pictures maybe 10 degrees.

I remain curious as to the nut, is it a piece of rod or a zero fret?

And the box/neck construction-the way you have the strings through the box etc leads me to believe you have done something different internally, I would be curious to see what you did there.

All that matters in the end though Tal, is how does it play and sound?

Having fun with it I hope!

Rand Moore January 7, 2011 at 2:02am

The angle I was talking about is where the head joins the neck. This angle (not angel) is generally around 15 degrees, but on yours it appears from the photos to be 45 degrees. You may have cut your headstock out of a thicker piece of wood using the mini electric saw you have in the earlier part of this discussion. More often, a head is made by slicing off about six inches of the neck at a 15 degree angle. The 6" piece is then flipped over and glued onto the underside of the neck so that the head stock bends down at a 15 degree angle. If you play around with positioning the head relative to the neck, there is another way the two pieces can join where the hear is also parallel with the neck, but the 15 degree angle is more gentle and elegant looking. It also provides a larger area for the glue to hold the two piece tegether for a stronger joint.

-Rand.
tal bluver said:

Hi man!
thank you for the reply.

I didn't understand what you ment about angels.

I didn't use any angels in the neck.

I wanted at start that the head (where the tuners) will be in an angel but I failed to cut it properly so I went on a different aproach.
Rand Moore said:

Hi Tal Bluver.

For a second build, you did a real nice job. The two points where I think most people (self included) would pick out are the 45 degree angle of your scarf cut and the fact that you glue the neck all along where it intersects the sound board (top of your cigar box). Most scarf angles are made between 10 and 25 degrees, with 15 degrees usually considered "ideal". The lower the angle, the longer the cut and the larger the surface area for the glue on the two surfaces to stick, making a stronger joint. The exact angle is a matter of personal aesthetics. The sound board will have better acoustic response if you leave a space between the neck and the soundboard. This is usually accomplished by cutting a 1/8" to 1/4" hollow about 80 or 90% of the length of the cigar box, leaving maybe 1/2" to 1" on either end to glue the neck to the cigar box. Here is a diagram illustrating this idea:

Is this CBG going to be an electric? I saw one photo with a circular hollow cut in it that looked like it was intended for a piezo pickup. Also, I thought you did a real good job with your frets. Fretting a neck well is still tough for me to do. I think the scope of your project was quite ambitious for a second build. If this were a school project, I'd give you a fat "A".

-Rand.

tal bluver January 6, 2011 at 3:06pm

Hi man!
thank you for the reply.

I didn't understand what you ment about angels.

I didn't use any angels in the neck.

I wanted at start that the head (where the tuners) will be in an angel but I failed to cut it properly so I went on a different aproach.
Rand Moore said:

Hi Tal Bluver.

For a second build, you did a real nice job. The two points where I think most people (self included) would pick out are the 45 degree angle of your scarf cut and the fact that you glue the neck all along where it intersects the sound board (top of your cigar box). Most scarf angles are made between 10 and 25 degrees, with 15 degrees usually considered "ideal". The lower the angle, the longer the cut and the larger the surface area for the glue on the two surfaces to stick, making a stronger joint. The exact angle is a matter of personal aesthetics. The sound board will have better acoustic response if you leave a space between the neck and the soundboard. This is usually accomplished by cutting a 1/8" to 1/4" hollow about 80 or 90% of the length of the cigar box, leaving maybe 1/2" to 1" on either end to glue the neck to the cigar box. Here is a diagram illustrating this idea:

Is this CBG going to be an electric? I saw one photo with a circular hollow cut in it that looked like it was intended for a piezo pickup. Also, I thought you did a real good job with your frets. Fretting a neck well is still tough for me to do. I think the scope of your project was quite ambitious for a second build. If this were a school project, I'd give you a fat "A".

-Rand.

tal bluver January 6, 2011 at 2:59pm

MARK IT ZERO!!!!

ChickenboneJohn said:

El Duderino..I like it, but not sure if guitar would be the The Dude's 'thing'....still, ".....it really ties the room together, man...."

ChickenboneJohn January 6, 2011 at 2:05am

El Duderino..I like it, but not sure if guitar would be the The Dude's 'thing'....still, ".....it really ties the room together, man...."

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