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Permalink Reply by Johnny Debit on October 21, 2010 at 5:40am

What? No takers?
I too worked through the caged system for standard guitar tuning. I also saw a similar system for ukulele, which I understood, nodded my head in assent, and then promptly forgot. Let’s see if we can get this thing started. I propose the ‘moving bar alphabet soup method with a half step shuffle’. How other chordal shapes relate to each other – I have no idea. And that’s about a penny more than my two cents.

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Permalink Reply by Tom on October 21, 2010 at 6:15am

With all the brain power out there on this forum and NO ONE can step forward ?

Does everyone already know the secrets, or is it really the key to my next mil ?

Does this exist somewhere already, or been tried, and found there is no pattern or ????

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Permalink Reply by BenBob on October 21, 2010 at 12:38pm

Unfortunately, open tunings do not have the consistent patterns and evenly-spaced bar chords that standard tuning has. You end up with a lot more stretching in scales and gaps in the fingerboard that don't have fingerable chords which sound good.

For example, in DADF#AD, there is only ONE d note on the whole fretboard between the 5th and 12th fret, and it doesn't lend itself to being the top or bottom of a D chord. That's a lot of real estate with no useful chord to base a scale pattern around.

That said, there are certainly some good patterns and chords to be found. This website is great for finding them on up to 8 strings with any tuning: http://www.studybass.com/tools/chord-scale-note-printer/

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Permalink Reply by The Phrygian Kid on October 21, 2010 at 1:52pm

1. make urself a strummer, add a capo..
I got a video somewhere explains it all. I think Diane put it in her dulci group
2. start with a pentatonic, less notes.. when u got a major and minor penta worked out, add notes..
a minor penta is 1,b3,4,5,b7 right ?
add 2 and 6, u got dorian
add 2 and b6, u got aeolian
and b2 and b6, u got phrygian

a major penta (same patterns as minor but 3 frets down) is 1,2,3,5,6
add 4 and 7 for Ionian
add 4 and b7 for mixolydian
add #4 and 7 for Lydian.

;) good luck

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Permalink Reply by Keni Lee Burgess on October 21, 2010 at 11:05pm

For a comprehensive approach to playing in open tunings, please see my instructional video CDs. Please feel free to write if I can be of any further assistance. Thank you, Keni Lee
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Permalink Reply by YeahDoIt on October 22, 2010 at 12:58am

Maybe we can work this out ourselves. Part of the problem may be that many different tunings are used, and the number of strings varies.

The notes of the D major scale are D E F# G A B C#.

You might try copying and pasting this into a spreadsheet:

High light the notes of the D major scale.

1st string 2nd string 3rd string

D A d
D# A# d#
E B e
F C f
F# C# f#
G D g
G# D# g#
A E a
A# F a#
B F# b
C G c
C# G# c#
D A d
D# A# d#
E B e
F C f
F# C# f#
G D g
G# D# g#
A E a
A# F a#
B F# b
C G c
C# G# c#

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Permalink Reply by Keni Lee Burgess on October 22, 2010 at 4:06am

I can offer a solution. The cage system is based on the 5 basic moveable chord shapes C A G E D on a standard tuned guitar. Then scales are built around each chord. Fundamentally, a three and four string can be approached the same way. In my Devil tuning video, I offered 3 basic moveable chord shapes. Scales can be built around these shapes also. I would just offer this suggestion. Playing in box patterns is a good way to start, but it is a dead end if you don't really know the notes you are playing. Understanding how chords relate to lead / melody lines is key. I play mainly in a fingerpicking style. Two lines of music at once (bass/lead). If you are planning to play lead while being accompanied by a band, this is a slightly different apporach. Why use open tuning? Tuning your instrument using the same four strings as a standard guitar will allow you to use the caged system. No need to reinvent the wheel. I hope this offers some insight. Thank you for sharing. Interesting stuff. Enjoy, Keni Lee

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Permalink Reply by BenBob on October 22, 2010 at 6:35am

When the OP wrote "open D" I thought DADF#AD. How many strings? Which open D?

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Permalink Reply by Tom on October 22, 2010 at 7:22am

WOW.. already the stuff comes rolling in. Thanks guys. Will try to respond to each.

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Permalink Reply by Tom on October 22, 2010 at 7:25am

ok the D major notes are listed, but are they the same as open D ?
I see the list that took some time to make and I can see the progression down each string of the scale, but not sure now what that tells me.

Did I mention I know nothing of music ?

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Permalink Reply by Tom on October 22, 2010 at 7:32am

Looks like I will have to look into your Devils lesson.
Dont plan to play lead with a band or anything just amuse myself.
Not knowing music I didnt know that scales were built around a chord ( if I understood that to be correct )
I would love to play fingerpicking but the fingers dont bend so good any more :)
Why the open tuning you ask? Becuae I thought it might be easier to learn to play something using it. Correct ? ? ? ? ?
Like your idea of using what little I know already of the Caged system and not trying to reinvent the wheel. Especially at my age :)
Lots of good insite there sir. Thank you !

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Permalink Reply by Tom on October 22, 2010 at 7:36am

SEE, what do I know. I didnt know there was more open D's out there.

I use a 6 string now ( well only 5 now I broke a string last night )

But had it tuned to an open D, only because I read it sounded better and was a popular tuning.

I was then hoping to be able to learn what places on the fret board I could hit and have it sound good ( thats where I thought the Caged system would come in ) my fingers dont work really well any more so chords shapes are kind of out and a more single finger stab approach would be better for me.
Hope that clears it up.

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