Intonation Problem - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-28T23:48:08Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/intonation-problem?commentId=2592684%3AComment%3A694613&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt sure looks to me like the…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-29:2592684:Comment:6946132011-07-29T05:38:28.805ZMark Blisshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MarkBliss
<p>It sure looks to me like the distance from the string termination at the nut to the first fret is a bit short too. In the photo it appears to be shorter than the distance between fret 1 and fret 2, when it should in reality be very slightly longer.</p>
<p>If lowering the action a little further doesnt help much, maybe modifying the nut into an "L-shape" by removing a little material at a time from the finger board side.</p>
<p>Nylon strings <strong>are</strong> more forgiving as far as these…</p>
<p>It sure looks to me like the distance from the string termination at the nut to the first fret is a bit short too. In the photo it appears to be shorter than the distance between fret 1 and fret 2, when it should in reality be very slightly longer.</p>
<p>If lowering the action a little further doesnt help much, maybe modifying the nut into an "L-shape" by removing a little material at a time from the finger board side.</p>
<p>Nylon strings <strong>are</strong> more forgiving as far as these problems go, but with some tweaking this should work. Mando scale lengths for instance are very short too.</p>
<p>Keep at it.</p>
<p>Mark</p> Ok guys.. Thanks a lot! I'll…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6931732011-07-28T23:17:47.744Zkickuntilitbreakshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/kickuntilitbreaks
Ok guys.. Thanks a lot! I'll keep messing with it, then!
Ok guys.. Thanks a lot! I'll keep messing with it, then! Using the nylons strings woul…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6921432011-07-28T14:57:04.475ZDan Sleephttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Iggy
Using the nylons strings would probably help, but looking at the pics, it looks like the action at the nut is still pretty high.
Using the nylons strings would probably help, but looking at the pics, it looks like the action at the nut is still pretty high. I thought about that too, I w…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6922862011-07-28T14:36:39.410Zkickuntilitbreakshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/kickuntilitbreaks
<p>I thought about that too, I was just hoping to use steel strings.. The instrument I made is only 3 strings and I was hoping for a more mandolin-style metal sound.. So I used the steel strings..</p>
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<p>I thought about that too, I was just hoping to use steel strings.. The instrument I made is only 3 strings and I was hoping for a more mandolin-style metal sound.. So I used the steel strings..</p>
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<a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/305741425?profile=original"></a> Two words. Uke and steel stri…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6914612011-07-28T02:30:02.028ZOuthouse Instrumentshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MattTowe
<p>Two words. Uke and steel strings. Ok that's more than two words.</p>
<p>But steel strings and extremely short scale ( saprano uke ) don't mix well. Now I know someone's gonna say they do it, but Ive never seen steel Uke strings for sale. The string height will have to be insanely low to keep the first fret from going too sharp.</p>
<p>My suggestion .... get real Uke strings. The nylon is stretchier, and won't go as sharp.</p>
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<p>Two words. Uke and steel strings. Ok that's more than two words.</p>
<p>But steel strings and extremely short scale ( saprano uke ) don't mix well. Now I know someone's gonna say they do it, but Ive never seen steel Uke strings for sale. The string height will have to be insanely low to keep the first fret from going too sharp.</p>
<p>My suggestion .... get real Uke strings. The nylon is stretchier, and won't go as sharp.</p>
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<p>AFKAM</p> It does sound like the string…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6912432011-07-28T01:22:22.846ZDan Sleephttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Iggy
<p>It does sound like the string height is too high, thus causing the notes to go sharp on you when you fret a string.</p>
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<p>Any chance you can post a picture of the nut and the bridge?</p>
<p>It does sound like the string height is too high, thus causing the notes to go sharp on you when you fret a string.</p>
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<p>Any chance you can post a picture of the nut and the bridge?</p> I'd say around half the thick…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6916212011-07-28T01:08:25.383Zkickuntilitbreakshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/kickuntilitbreaks
<p>I'd say around half the thickness of the penny away from the penny itself. It's kind of a guess, because the fret spacing is too small to fit in a penny and the action raises further down the neck.. Would that be a problem? Needing to lower the action on the bridge end? I hadn't tried it yet because I used ball-end strings that push the tailpiece a little high for the bridge to go any lower.. But I just thought of using either tie-end strings or loop the ball-end around to the other…</p>
<p>I'd say around half the thickness of the penny away from the penny itself. It's kind of a guess, because the fret spacing is too small to fit in a penny and the action raises further down the neck.. Would that be a problem? Needing to lower the action on the bridge end? I hadn't tried it yet because I used ball-end strings that push the tailpiece a little high for the bridge to go any lower.. But I just thought of using either tie-end strings or loop the ball-end around to the other side...</p> On my builds, as a starting p…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-07-28:2592684:Comment:6914432011-07-28T00:17:24.150ZDan Sleephttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Iggy
On my builds, as a starting point, I slip a penny onto the fretboard and cut the slot until it just reaches the penny. This has seemed to give me a nice action. If you slip a penny under the string that is causing you grief, how close is the top of the penny to the bottom of the string?
On my builds, as a starting point, I slip a penny onto the fretboard and cut the slot until it just reaches the penny. This has seemed to give me a nice action. If you slip a penny under the string that is causing you grief, how close is the top of the penny to the bottom of the string?