In Body spring reverb effect - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T14:21:51Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/in-body-spring-reverb-effect?commentId=2592684%3AComment%3A3732863&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThat's awesome Taffy.tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2022-10-30:2592684:Comment:37328632022-10-30T20:23:42.760ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>That's awesome Taffy.</p>
<p>That's awesome Taffy.</p> Hi, I have not done much rese…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2022-10-27:2592684:Comment:37328882022-10-27T23:00:33.136ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi, I have not done much research or testing on the spring front but concentrated on getting a better/ fuller sound from the instrument as a whole, without the springs.<br></br> Two things I found that I will share are shown in the photos.</p>
<p><br></br> 1- I used a cigar box or one of my custom-built boxes as a test bed for spring testing. I would fit springs as shown and at different tensions to test their response to tapping the box back or sides. I also had a CBG with a panel in the back to…</p>
<p>Hi, I have not done much research or testing on the spring front but concentrated on getting a better/ fuller sound from the instrument as a whole, without the springs.<br/> Two things I found that I will share are shown in the photos.</p>
<p><br/> 1- I used a cigar box or one of my custom-built boxes as a test bed for spring testing. I would fit springs as shown and at different tensions to test their response to tapping the box back or sides. I also had a CBG with a panel in the back to enable spring changes. This way I could test the response of the spring when activated by string activity and not tapping.<br/> <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10856677674?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10856677674?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a></p>
<p>2- The best springs I came across, in regard to their responsiveness to tapping or string/top vibrations were the ones found on cheap desk lamps. Four springs per lamp. I came across these by accident. I have a number of these lamps throughout my workshops and was working at one bench and could hear the sounds I was making on the bench whilst working being sort of enhanced somehow. I tracked it down o the springs on the lamp attached to that bench vibrating to bench top vibrations. Now that’s responsive.<br/> <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10856678257?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10856678257?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a><br/> <a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10856678470?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/10856678470?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a></p>
<p>I listened to a demo of a guitar being played with and without springs, and I could hear the difference, in that demo situation anyway. I do not know where the microphone was positioned or if the spring sound was audible by the listener if a few yards away. He was playing slow single-string notes.<br/> What I heard that guy getting I get without springs. I make the guitar as responsive as possible by the way I build it. This means that the top transfers string energy into soundwaves more easily, even in a cigar box. This also excites strings that I am not picking but are reacting sympathetically to the main notes I am picking.<br/> One can test this. On my 3 string, I strum the high G string and I find that the low G string is also vibrating adding body or fullness to the note. Also, plucking the same string at the 7th fret will trigger the same effect. If I dampen the string I just plucked, I will still hear the note continuing from the other vibrating strings.<br/>
If I dampen the other strings and just pick one string it appears to sound dry and lacking. This effect varies over the fretboard though. And of course, is more noticeable on 6-string guitars/CBGs <br/>
Cheers Taff</p> Taff - I was thinking of inco…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2022-10-26:2592684:Comment:37325492022-10-26T14:10:42.862ZGary W aka Rev. Bluejeanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GaryW
<p>Taff - I was thinking of incorporating springs in a future build, and searched the forums for good suggestions. Fortunately this was one of them! In the 4 years since your post, I'm sure you've accumulated a lot more data on spring effectiveness! Thanks for the posts!</p>
<p>Taff - I was thinking of incorporating springs in a future build, and searched the forums for good suggestions. Fortunately this was one of them! In the 4 years since your post, I'm sure you've accumulated a lot more data on spring effectiveness! Thanks for the posts!</p> There was a video that Shane…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-13:2592684:Comment:32542582018-12-13T16:01:06.061ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>There was a video that Shane did awhile back of using metal yard rake tines mounted inside the box for a echo reverb effect.</p>
<p>There was a video that Shane did awhile back of using metal yard rake tines mounted inside the box for a echo reverb effect.</p> Hey Mikey, As I mentioned abo…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-13:2592684:Comment:32540622018-12-13T15:56:56.713ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>Hey Mikey, As I mentioned above your post, the Resobro guitar uses a blade from a putty knife under the bridge and stop tail piece to make reso sounds. Might get some ideas from that.</p>
<p>Hey Mikey, As I mentioned above your post, the Resobro guitar uses a blade from a putty knife under the bridge and stop tail piece to make reso sounds. Might get some ideas from that.</p> That's fantastic Taffy, great…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-13:2592684:Comment:32541682018-12-13T15:54:35.883ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>That's fantastic Taffy, great experimentation and I know you had fun doing it.</p>
<p>The on/off part made me think of the Duesenberg Guitars Resobro bridge system, it can be turned on/off by pushing 2 screws on the bridge posts(tunomatic style bridge). Andries posted a video about how it works in his "What Your Holy Grail Guitar" thread.</p>
<p>That's fantastic Taffy, great experimentation and I know you had fun doing it.</p>
<p>The on/off part made me think of the Duesenberg Guitars Resobro bridge system, it can be turned on/off by pushing 2 screws on the bridge posts(tunomatic style bridge). Andries posted a video about how it works in his "What Your Holy Grail Guitar" thread.</p> Hi, I'm learning a lot with t…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-11:2592684:Comment:32531652018-12-11T21:48:15.317ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi, I'm learning a lot with this spring thing.</p>
<p>By stretching the spring to open the coils, so they stay open when the spring is no longer stretched, I think makes the spring more responsive'</p>
<p>My spring is easily set into motion by the gentle tapping of the back and/or sides [top not on yet]. </p>
<p>Adding timber to the inside of the box to replicate a neck trough system killed the effect of the spring by about 50%.</p>
<p>I have cut out an access panel into the back so as to…</p>
<p>Hi, I'm learning a lot with this spring thing.</p>
<p>By stretching the spring to open the coils, so they stay open when the spring is no longer stretched, I think makes the spring more responsive'</p>
<p>My spring is easily set into motion by the gentle tapping of the back and/or sides [top not on yet]. </p>
<p>Adding timber to the inside of the box to replicate a neck trough system killed the effect of the spring by about 50%.</p>
<p>I have cut out an access panel into the back so as to be able to make adjustments.</p>
<p>I have also started on the spring damping system</p>
<p>And just for even more "overkill" I'm gonna try to tune the spring to suit the resonant frequency of the box.</p>
<p>Taff</p> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-10:2592684:Comment:32527442018-12-10T21:22:35.826ZBrianQ.https://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/BrianQ
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<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNC5k9s09E" target="_blank">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNC5k9s09E</a></p> Hi, my thinking is you could…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-10:2592684:Comment:32529432018-12-10T21:22:14.751ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi, my thinking is you could be inhibiting vibrations rather than increasing them, with a tin barrier installed in the box. </p>
<p>I suggest finding out what excites the spring into motion and improve that. That's what I have done. I'll share more later. Because we all build guitars differently, there will be different results for different guitars/builders.</p>
<p>Taff</p>
<p>Hi, my thinking is you could be inhibiting vibrations rather than increasing them, with a tin barrier installed in the box. </p>
<p>I suggest finding out what excites the spring into motion and improve that. That's what I have done. I'll share more later. Because we all build guitars differently, there will be different results for different guitars/builders.</p>
<p>Taff</p> I am also thinking of lining…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-12-10:2592684:Comment:32529032018-12-10T17:52:45.258ZMikey Hearrold IIhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MikeyHearroldII
I am also thinking of lining the inside of the sound box with sheet tin. that may help in bouncing the vibrations. Also want to try this for the reso i am building...
I am also thinking of lining the inside of the sound box with sheet tin. that may help in bouncing the vibrations. Also want to try this for the reso i am building...