Cigar Box Resonator - Advice Please With Pics - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T10:11:20Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/cigar-box-resonator-advice-please-with-pics?commentId=2592684%3AComment%3A3078192&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, Taffy. That is helpfu…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-16:2592684:Comment:31252062018-05-16T08:58:57.807ZBryan Pieperhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/BryanPieper
Thanks, Taffy. That is helpful.
Thanks, Taffy. That is helpful. I wired a piezo and magnetic…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-14:2592684:Comment:31241032018-05-14T19:14:01.387ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>I wired a piezo and magnetic pickup to a switch and got a popping noise when switching to the piezo due to the impedance mismatch. So a blender knob or just a separate volume for each pickup would eliminate that noise problem of switching back and forth.</p>
<p>Piezo placement would be louder on the cone or under the bridge, but somewhere on the soundboard would even out the loudness difference between the pickups and still get good reso tone.</p>
<p>Passive works okay, but both hooked into…</p>
<p>I wired a piezo and magnetic pickup to a switch and got a popping noise when switching to the piezo due to the impedance mismatch. So a blender knob or just a separate volume for each pickup would eliminate that noise problem of switching back and forth.</p>
<p>Piezo placement would be louder on the cone or under the bridge, but somewhere on the soundboard would even out the loudness difference between the pickups and still get good reso tone.</p>
<p>Passive works okay, but both hooked into a onboard preamp that handles the impedance mismatch will always sound better.</p> Hi, I find that a mismatch of…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-14:2592684:Comment:31235912018-05-14T03:34:58.792ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi, I find that a mismatch of the two pickups could be attributed to number of factors, such as quality and placement of the pickups.</p>
<p>I also find that a piezo fitted in the "sweet spot" position on the top can be as loud as, if not louder, than a magnetic pickup. The reason I use a pre amp is not to make the piezo pickup louder but to add other/better tonal qualities, and send them to the amp with minimal loss.</p>
<p>i have also used a blend pot and sometimes a master volume with mag…</p>
<p>Hi, I find that a mismatch of the two pickups could be attributed to number of factors, such as quality and placement of the pickups.</p>
<p>I also find that a piezo fitted in the "sweet spot" position on the top can be as loud as, if not louder, than a magnetic pickup. The reason I use a pre amp is not to make the piezo pickup louder but to add other/better tonal qualities, and send them to the amp with minimal loss.</p>
<p>i have also used a blend pot and sometimes a master volume with mag and piezo and had good balance even without a preamp. However the high frequencies of the piezo are a lot harsher without one. But as I mentioned earlier blend in a humbucker to warm it up.</p>
<p>Bottom line for me, I have guitars here with louder piezo's (no preamp) than a guitar fitted with a Les Paul humbucker, and far louder than one with a single coil. </p>
<p>And although my preamped CBG is not that much louder than my un amped CBG, it does sound a whole lot better.</p>
<p>cheers Taff</p> I have never blended a mag pi…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-13:2592684:Comment:31234072018-05-13T18:55:41.307ZBryan Pieperhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/BryanPieper
I have never blended a mag pickup with a piezo, because I was concerned they are so mismatched the mag will overwhelm the piezo (without a preamp on the piezo or turning the mag pickup waaay down in the blend).<br />
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I realize this may be different in a resonator, where a piezo on the cone might be very loud, but as a general matter, am I incorrect? Is there much benefit in using a blend pot with a mag pickup and a piezo with no preamp?
I have never blended a mag pickup with a piezo, because I was concerned they are so mismatched the mag will overwhelm the piezo (without a preamp on the piezo or turning the mag pickup waaay down in the blend).<br />
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I realize this may be different in a resonator, where a piezo on the cone might be very loud, but as a general matter, am I incorrect? Is there much benefit in using a blend pot with a mag pickup and a piezo with no preamp? Thanks both of you, I will le…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-04:2592684:Comment:31146892018-05-04T21:47:55.196ZRobhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/12g29h69wm1su
<p>Thanks both of you, I will let you know how I get on...</p>
<p>Im concerned at the moment I have something wrong as I get a hum until I touch a metal piece and then it stops ( I think..... Too may beers to remmeber right now!)</p>
<p>I will try and get it all together this weekend and see how I get on... :)</p>
<p>Thanks both of you, I will let you know how I get on...</p>
<p>Im concerned at the moment I have something wrong as I get a hum until I touch a metal piece and then it stops ( I think..... Too may beers to remmeber right now!)</p>
<p>I will try and get it all together this weekend and see how I get on... :)</p> Hi Rob, you might try mountin…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-04:2592684:Comment:31145262018-05-04T21:15:54.238ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Rob, you might try mounting a piezo in/or under the biscuit bridge. If it was me I would mount a few piezo,s in a few pre made biscuits and try them once the guitar assembled. There are a variety of ways to mount to get different tones, that I can think of.</p>
<p>also I always use a blend pot or two volume pots, this way I can temper any harshness from the cone with the warmth of the mag pickup.</p>
<p>i run my earth to the tailpiece, and never earthed a cone, ever. Sometimes you can get…</p>
<p>Hi Rob, you might try mounting a piezo in/or under the biscuit bridge. If it was me I would mount a few piezo,s in a few pre made biscuits and try them once the guitar assembled. There are a variety of ways to mount to get different tones, that I can think of.</p>
<p>also I always use a blend pot or two volume pots, this way I can temper any harshness from the cone with the warmth of the mag pickup.</p>
<p>i run my earth to the tailpiece, and never earthed a cone, ever. Sometimes you can get hum from the amp via household electrical circuits. Try a different power outlet. Or a new guitar lead.</p>
<p>Taff</p> Richard,
Good to hear from yo…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-04:2592684:Comment:31139812018-05-04T13:04:21.602ZRobhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/12g29h69wm1su
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Good to hear from you! I thought you were off for a while...</p>
<p>I have mounted a P90 which also looks awesome... I will update the pictures online so you can see what I have created... I love it!!</p>
<p>Yes I was planning on doing the earthing for the cone that way.</p>
<p>I ruined a cone sadly, I bent it by putting too much pressure on it, so I have a replacement to fit.</p>
<p>Ive only just got the P90 mountin screws so I will set that up this weekend.</p>
<p>Cant wait…</p>
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Good to hear from you! I thought you were off for a while...</p>
<p>I have mounted a P90 which also looks awesome... I will update the pictures online so you can see what I have created... I love it!!</p>
<p>Yes I was planning on doing the earthing for the cone that way.</p>
<p>I ruined a cone sadly, I bent it by putting too much pressure on it, so I have a replacement to fit.</p>
<p>Ive only just got the P90 mountin screws so I will set that up this weekend.</p>
<p>Cant wait to show you!!</p>
<p>Any thoughts on PIezo mounting?? :)</p>
<p>Rob</p> Hey Taff and everyone else,…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-05-04:2592684:Comment:31140332018-05-04T12:18:37.838ZRobhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/12g29h69wm1su
Hey Taff and everyone else,<br />
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I have pretty much finished now, pictures to come!<br />
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Im struggling a little with Piezo placement... I have two wired in and dont know how to mount/where...<br />
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Also, I am getting a lot of poor earth noise through the amp. I have not earthed the cone yet but will do.... Do you have any other ideas as to why I am getting so much noise?<br />
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Kind regards<br />
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Rob
Hey Taff and everyone else,<br />
<br />
I have pretty much finished now, pictures to come!<br />
<br />
Im struggling a little with Piezo placement... I have two wired in and dont know how to mount/where...<br />
<br />
Also, I am getting a lot of poor earth noise through the amp. I have not earthed the cone yet but will do.... Do you have any other ideas as to why I am getting so much noise?<br />
<br />
Kind regards<br />
<br />
Rob Hi Rob, this my third attempt…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-03-26:2592684:Comment:30854622018-03-26T23:40:41.472ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Rob, this my third attempt to reply, cant get my post to go through. I'll try again with a shortened version, just in case.</p>
<p>Standard guitar set up can and is used for slide, but I find it hard to get clean notes across all the strings when curved/radiused, with a flat slide, with my playing style.</p>
<p>My guitars have flat nuts and flat saddle/bridge, even on the recycled radiused necks like yours. That creates another issue, but I can live with that.</p>
<p>Go for slotted and…</p>
<p>Hi Rob, this my third attempt to reply, cant get my post to go through. I'll try again with a shortened version, just in case.</p>
<p>Standard guitar set up can and is used for slide, but I find it hard to get clean notes across all the strings when curved/radiused, with a flat slide, with my playing style.</p>
<p>My guitars have flat nuts and flat saddle/bridge, even on the recycled radiused necks like yours. That creates another issue, but I can live with that.</p>
<p>Go for slotted and radiused.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Taff</p> Cheers Taff,
So still groove…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-03-26:2592684:Comment:30849462018-03-26T08:08:15.172ZRobhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/12g29h69wm1su
<p>Cheers Taff,</p>
<p>So still groove the bridge and radius the bridge? </p>
<p>It might end up being a slide guitar as the sound is really intriguing.... Its loud which I was amazed at and that is before cutting the F holes which I now have planned.</p>
<p>I will look into your orange shellac, sounds like a nice idea!</p>
<p></p>
<p>Rob</p>
<p>Cheers Taff,</p>
<p>So still groove the bridge and radius the bridge? </p>
<p>It might end up being a slide guitar as the sound is really intriguing.... Its loud which I was amazed at and that is before cutting the F holes which I now have planned.</p>
<p>I will look into your orange shellac, sounds like a nice idea!</p>
<p></p>
<p>Rob</p>